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992(c)(3) Regs

Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 05:29:20 No.16327883 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>16327938 >>16328003 >>16328476

I picked up an Saiga 12 last week, and I want to make a few alterations. Better gas regulator, recoil absorbing adjustable stock..and so on.

Can some one explain WTF 992(c)(3) regs really mean? I doubt the dealer I bought it from would violate any laws but there are specific numbers of American parts of something.

I'm not a very smart man JPEG

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Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 05:30:19 No.16327894 Report

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BTW I meant to post this GIF

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Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 05:32:19 No.16327914 Report

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I have moar if that with get me the info I need

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DepthChargingButtfucker !ok5IKBPD.c Fri 17 May 2013 05:35:18 No.16327938 Report

Quoted By: >>16327949 >>16327979

>>16327883
It's pretty much impossible to enforce unless your gun is already under scrutiny for some other offense.

/thread

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Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 05:35:18 No.16327942 Report

Quoted By: >>16327980

For those who prefer gunpron. This is not my pic but is the same model I picked up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 05:35:50 No.16327944 Report

Quoted By: >>16328046

not sure, but email the guys at firearmsprostore (pfi) about saiga modding

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DepthChargingButtfucker !ok5IKBPD.c Fri 17 May 2013 05:35:50 No.16327949 Report

Quoted By: >>16327985

>>16327938
tl;dr - Don't fucking worry about it.

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Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 05:37:18 No.16327979 Report

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>>16327938

Thanks. I appreciate the response

I know I will only get in trouble if I get myself in trouble some other way first, but I live in Illinois...so I need to have my shit together.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 05:38:18 No.16327980 Report

Quoted By: >>16328017 >>16328098

>>16327942
That's not a Saiga 12.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 05:38:50 No.16327985 Report

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>>16327949
Thats a veper you fucking fagot which I own. Don't confuse the two you tripfag faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 05:39:50 No.16328003 Report

Quoted By: >>16328098 >>16328193

>>16327883
must have at least 3 american made parts IIRC

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 05:40:19 No.16328017 Report

Quoted By: >>16328038

>>16327980
It was, once.
It's been mutilated beyond that now though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 05:42:02 No.16328038 Report

Quoted By: >>16328062 >>16328202

>>16328017
No, it wasn't. It was never a Saiga 12.

Look up "VEPR 12."
They are different guns.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 05:42:02 No.16328046 Report

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>>16327944
>>16327944
Thanks for the info but I would love to hear from someone who has already done what I want to do. They have a specific number of American parts that I have to meet once I start "converting" the rifle.

This shotgun is fucking sweet BTW, I can run through 20 rounds of 3" buckshot in less than 5 seconds..ultimate Zombie Apocalypse self defense weapon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 05:43:01 No.16328052 Report

Quoted By: >>16328193

Not OP, but how can I know how many US parts my gun has? I bought a conversion and it came with what I have every reason to believe is a Circle 10 magazine. They can't sell it with that if it don't have the correct part count can they?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 05:44:50 No.16328062 Report

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>>16328038
I concur and own the weapon stop trying to defend you faggotry

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Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 05:48:18 No.16328098 Report

Quoted By: >>16328193

>>16327980
>>16327980
Look I can't post a pic from my droid so I thought I found one but you're right ...the drum mag doesn't lean so close to your natural front grip that is is uncomfortable.

>>16328003

See I read it that way to...then I read it needs 8, then read it needs 10 American parts to be compliant.

I have to much money invested in my collection and ammo to risk a search and seizure. I follow the retarded laws to the letter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 05:57:19 No.16328193 Report

Quoted By: >>16328299 >>16328326

>>16328003
>>16328052
>>16328098

922(r) applies to manufactorers only. The ATF, you local police, and nobody else in the freaking world cares about how many US made parts are on you fucking saiga or vepr or what the hell ever. All the bullshit you see online in forums and people making compliance calculators is just that- bullshit. Puting a shitty tapco part in your gun when it is not necessary in any way shape or form is pathetic. This attitude of overcompliance from pussy gun owners are the reasons they can get away with chipping away at our rights. I don't care if "you want to play it safe" or you heard from a friends cousin's friend of a friend that some kitchen table FFL down the street got busted for 922(r) 20 years ago it doesn't fucking matter.
922(r) violation is virtually impossible to prove anyways. There are US made pistons, furniture and whatnot that are not stamped made in US. There are foreign parts that are not stamped with their country of origin. Any moron can go to Home Depot, buy a $4 letter punch set and stamp "U.S." on whatever little fucking piece of metal he wants and nobody can prove a damn thing.

TL;DR: if you abide by a rule that literally cannot be proved broken and no cares about in the first place you are a massive faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 05:58:19 No.16328202 Report

Quoted By: >>16328324

>>16328038
yeah, someone's being a fuckwit saying it's an S-12.

1.6 mm RPK receiver Vs 1mm Saiga AK receiver.

no gas plug

autoregulating, slightly overbored gas system

Picatinny railed, hinged dust cover

competition magwell

Last Round and Manual Bolt Hold Open system

corrosion resistant hard chromed internals

custom Molot 1-finger safety

railed gasblock/railed handgaurds

RPK sights

the galil style folder is the default russian stock config

the drum is a special max rounds modified drum magazine not in the US(they cannot use drums without conversion to rock and lock), the optic is a weaver mounted Kobra, and the Muzzle break is the Molot GK-01.

barrel is 19" long and threaded.

VEPR-12 is made for 3-gun and IPSC competition, but can also be used for hunting and skeets.

and all that from a simple google search.

TL;DR: never was an S-12 to begin with.

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Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 06:01:20 No.16328240 Report

Quoted By: >>16328277

Come on /k/, some one here has a Siaga 12 and they immediately swapped the shit stock gas regulator for a better aftermarket multi setting regulator. Also there is no way a real operator would not put that recoil reducing adjustable stock on the fucker.

Try running 100 or 300 rounds thought it shooting trap , you have to do every thing you can to save your fucking shoulder.

GIF not /k/ related but cool anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 06:05:49 No.16328277 Report

Quoted By: >>16328307

>>16328240
for conversion parts,MD arms and SGM are good, JT Engineering and CSS are also good.

avoid tapco.

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Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 06:09:20 No.16328299 Report

Quoted By: >>16328378

>>16328193

Hunny really? Why so much vitriol?

I live in the most repressed state in the union as far as guns they are regular attempts to ban and confiscate here. As I type the a spic state senator has a bill up for vote that will make all mags over ten rounds illegal and up for confiscation. LMFAO they think they could ever come and take shit from the majority of gun owners.

But this is what I have to deal with. I have read enough online that if I start to "convert" an imported rifle I have to make sure X amount of replacement parts are American made. I just want someone who has modified their Siaga 12 to chime in.

here is another gif that makes you feel insignificant

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 06:10:21 No.16328307 Report

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>>16328277
Thank you

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Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 06:12:50 No.16328324 Report

Quoted By: >>16328504

>>16328202
OK you know your shit. What would you do to a factory fresh Siaga 12? Besides the better gas regulator and recoil absorbing justifiable stock?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 06:12:50 No.16328326 Report

Quoted By: >>16328378 >>16328380

>>16328193
>Only applies to manufacturers

>http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/922
It shall be unlawful for any person to assemble from imported parts any semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun which is identical to any rifle or shotgun prohibited from importation under section 925 (d)(3) of this chapter as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes except that this subsection shall not apply to—
(1) the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for sale or distribution by a licensed manufacturer to the United States or any department or agency thereof or to any State or any department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or
(2) the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the Attorney General.

Notice how it says: ANY PERSON

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Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 06:19:49 No.16328378 Report

Quoted By: >>16328444 >>16328503

>>16328299

Yes I am very passionate about it because the situation angers and frustrates me. "Well meaning" gun owners are always going on forums and insisting that people abide by some literally insignificant rule "Just to be safe". There is literally, and I mean that as in beyond a reasonable doubt literally no way yo prove noncompliance with the imported parts law. I understand being afraid of the ATF because of what they have to innocent people in certain cases but trust me, imported parts is a non issue. I have several AKs, there is not one US made part on them for 922r. There are many thousands of other ones out there too. Again sorry if I came off harsh but it is very frustrating once you realize the truth and see others doing stupid things like abiding by 922r
>>16328326
read this: http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=261731
You could walk up to an ATF agent, tell him your AK has only TWO us made parts and he would not give a shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 06:19:49 No.16328380 Report

Quoted By: >>16328460

>>16328326
That's what I'm saying. The law is to ambiguous. And I know some one on /k/ can answer my question.

Thanks for the post

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Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 06:25:19 No.16328444 Report

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>>16328378
Oh gosh in this hypothetical situation that has no chance of happening in the history of the universe, you are being tried for 922r!!
Your AK has unmarked parts on it that are literally identical to the US made unmarked parts! Is the government going to spends tens of thousands of dollars analyzing the grain structure of some fucking trigger group to prove it was made in an overseas forge? Oh guess what the US imports steel for manufacture of parts, better spend millions more $$$ too compile a comprehensive history of every single AK part made in the last 40 years around the entire earth :-(

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 06:27:19 No.16328460 Report

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>>16328380
Answer to your question: Sawing off your barrel or converting it to full auto will land you in jail. Having non US made parts will not negatively affect your life in any way ever and will be better for your rifle cause you dont have to buy shitty tapco junk.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 06:29:49 No.16328476 Report

Quoted By: >>16328731

>>16327883
>Still buying Saiga
>Not Vepr
Yes indeed you arent very smart.

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Citizen Snips !!GIMH48Eg3Kx Fri 17 May 2013 06:32:49 No.16328503 Report

Quoted By: >>16328554

>>16328378
>no way to prove beyond reasonable--
>I HAVE SEVERAL AK'S WITH NO US MADE PARTS WHATSOEVER
I--... Am I missing something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 06:32:49 No.16328504 Report

Quoted By: >>16328554 >>16328831 >>16328989

>>16328324
hypothetical: making an S12 good from factory config.

do a full conversion from fudd gun to shotgun
IIRC:
US made FCG is 3 parts.
us made piston and puck is another 2 us made regulator is 1
Us Made Muzzle device (your choice of flash hider or compensator or barrel shroud) is one part, use made mags is 3 parts

us made stock is 1 parts.

and assuming you mean the Fab Defense Israeli stocks marketed by Mako group, that counts against the 922r US parts needed/have tally, not being made in the US.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 06:37:49 No.16328554 Report

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>>16328503
Yes you are missing the fact that this is an anonymous imageboard and /b/ taught me how to use 7 proxies.
>>16328504
hypothetical: No.
Real life: use whatever parts from wherever they come from.

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Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 06:51:19 No.16328731 Report

Quoted By: >>16328831

>>16328476
I have never seen this Vepr on a shell near me. I have several friends who own Siaga 12's and with a little aftermarket tweaking they have no complaints. I paid $1,100 for a factory fresh shotgun, 3 20 round drums that I hate and will dump at my first opportunity. ( pro mag are extremely awkward IMO )

I have put about 500 Rounds through the rifle ( with the help of a few friends shooting skeet and just random targets on one's farm) and have had no problems. Now bird loads...even heavy dove loads don't cycle right but who cares...it's a fucking riot gun.

GIF definitely related

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 07:02:50 No.16328831 Report

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>>16328504
Thank you sir, this is what I was hoping for. BTW "breaching" muzzle is 1 part also.

There are American made recoil absorbing stocks I have seen so I'm good there

>>16328731
I also got 200 rounds of .308 / nato 7.62 (worth $160.00) for that $1,100. So even after the $400.00 plus I will spend setting this up I am happy with what I paid .

Those three Promags will sell for $150.00 plus around here so I did just fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 07:05:20 No.16328862 Report

Quoted By: >>16328978 >>16328989

I'm sure people mean well, but the people saying "it needs x# of US parts" are wrong.
For a conversion to be compliant it must have 10 or less foreign parts.
That means you have to replace a certain number of parts with US parts depending on the configuration you are going for.

Here OP, read up.

http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/forum/65-second-amendment-922r-

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 07:16:49 No.16328978 Report

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>>16328862
I'm sure people mean well, but the people saying "it needs ANY of US parts" are wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 07:18:49 No.16328989 Report

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>>16328862
>>16328504
My questions have been answered. I will delete this in 10 min or so unless someone 3wants to keep it going.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 May 2013 07:47:16 No.16328989,1 Report Delete

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Fine go ahead and put shitty parts in your gun because you're afraid of some big bad government meanie who couldn't give less of a fuck that your parts aren't stamped. People like you who swallow up forum bullshit and overcomply are the reason politicians can take and take and take from gunowners cause they know they will never fight back ever.

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