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Anonymous Thu 11 Feb 2016 14:35:47 No.62425970 View View Reply Original Report

Hey, /mu/, how does old classical music work?
If you download some FLAC of one of Mozart's concertos, is it always simply a reconstruction because there were no high quality recording devices at the time?
Are there many different reconstructions of a given piece? Do these sound different?
Is one objectively best or most similar to the original performance?

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Anonymous Thu 11 Feb 2016 14:38:06 No.62425995 Report

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>Are there many different reconstructions of a given piece? Do these sound different?
yes
>Is one objectively best or most similar to the original performance?
I wouldn't say objectively, but there are preferred players and versions.

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Anonymous Thu 11 Feb 2016 14:47:51 No.62425995,1 Report Delete

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'classical' music is interesting in that there is almost always a distinction between the composer and the performer(s). One person writes a piece, a group of different people (conducted by another different person) perform it.

Compare that with modern music. A band/songwriter creates a piece, and they perform it. The composer and performer is usually the same person/people.

The main difference between these approaches is that, with the modern approach, there can be no debate as to the authenticity and credibility of the performance. The people who wrote it perform it, and very often have a studio recording of it. All these things provide for a very clear image of what the 'correct' version of this piece is.

In Mozart's time, all they had to go on was the notes on the score and any written/verbal instructions that the composer might have given. Any performance of such a piece, ever, is subjective, as the conductor and performers have to give their INTERPRETATION of what the composer has written/said. And very often, precocious conductors/performers would take liberties with these instructions and even disagree with them, thinking their own vision of how the piece should be performed to be superior. So yes, every recording of a classical work is a 'reconstruction' or interpretation and it is quite impossible to ascertain that the way in which one person/group performs it is the single 'correct' way. So yeah, every recording is (and sounds) different. It is impossible to say whether one is 'best' as this is a personal, subjective decision. One person's best could be another person's worst, and vice versa. Of course, some recordings could just be technically bad i.e. poor quality recording and/or musicians. There are groups who play on period instruments (i.e. instruments constructed to be identical to how they would have been during a certain musical period) and who aim to perform pieces from certain periods in an 'historically informed' way, i.e. having researched performance style etc. of the time. However, as modern listeners, we are used to a modern aesthetic and so it is not correct to say that, just because these performances might be historically accurate, they are the best. Pieces performed in a modern way might just sound 'better' or 'nicer' to modern ears.

>there were no high quality recording devices at the time?

There would have been no recording devices at all until at least 100 years after Mozart's time.

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Anonymous Thu 11 Feb 2016 15:00:17 No.62426274 Report

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>>62425970
It's a reconstruction in the same way a play is:
The notes are written down in the order the composer arranged them (as well as rhythm , dynamics etc) much like the script of a play

This can be performed in a multitude of ways that while still true to the written notes, sound very different - tempo, timber, articulation, rubato, tuning and many other factors can differentiate performances.

No one performance will satisfy everyone as personal taste will always add an element of subjectivity.

There are some recording made using period style instrument using carefully researched period performance practice which ostensibly sound like what Mozart et al would have heard, but whether these are superior to performances on the modern versions of those instruments will continue to be debated endlessly.

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Anonymous Sat 18 Jul 2015 21:14:15 No.57414409 View View Reply Last 50 Original Report

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These are the best works of music of all time. If it's not on this chart, then it isn't significant.

Agreed?

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Anonymous Sun 19 Jul 2015 00:38:16 No.57418994 Report

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>>57418847

love wozzeck btw. nice taste, duder.

>Sotkchausen is like Reich both being memes and not providing anything different from Shoenberg or Berg

disagreed heavily, whatever though

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Anonymous Sun 19 Jul 2015 00:38:23 No.57419001 Report

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>>57418968
Probably, I really don't know about the modern side of this. I can't really say anything about his choices there, but it seems previous posters have also proved him wrong.

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Anonymous Sun 19 Jul 2015 00:41:01 No.57419053 Report

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>>57418994
Truth be told I have a big problem with lots of modern music. (I cannot stand John Adams and Einstein on the beach makes me mad, I like other Glass things though when he's neoromantic) There are some current dutch and estonian composers that are helping me fix this though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP3FZcawnfY

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Anonymous Sun 19 Jul 2015 00:43:02 No.57419080 Report

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>>57419053

you don't have to like everything

just tickles my funnsies when people make grand statements without being exposed to the music much. cheers anon

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Anonymous Thu 11 Feb 2016 12:42:48 No.57419080,1 Report Delete

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>>57415175
jesus christ talk to the fucking psychiatrist

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Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 11:50:52 No.60245309 View View Reply Original Report

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Is there another female artist on their level?

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Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 13:56:44 No.60246426 Report

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>>60245515
jarboe is a fuckn joke m8
she ruins SftB w/ her shitty track

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Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 14:03:28 No.60246484 Report

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>>60245451
>>60245504
Critics are subjective.

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Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 14:06:39 No.60246525 Report

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Joanna isn't on their level

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Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 14:20:43 No.60246675 Report

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>>60245309
Stevie nicks

Lauren !LAUreNu6Vs

Lauren !LAUreNu6Vs Thu 11 Feb 2016 09:54:38 No.60246675,1 Report Delete

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>>60245515
why the fuck did i put yukari on there

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Anonymous Fri 12 Feb 2016 23:25:57 No.62473663 Report

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>>62455964
diversity plz

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Anonymous Fri 12 Feb 2016 23:28:21 No.62473745 Report

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>>62473088
damn

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Anonymous Fri 12 Feb 2016 23:28:49 No.62473758 Report

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>>62473613
Your girl cheated on you but for 6 years you had chance to know the ups and downs, to know how a relationship is like, to fucking know how it is someone connecting and caring about you despite her love being conditial.

Yeah your situation is shit but compare it to me. I feel lonely and unwanted, and sometimes wonder what is wrong with me because apparentely everyone is able to easily pair up but me

So yeah I believe that

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Anonymous Fri 12 Feb 2016 23:37:35 No.62474003 Report

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>>62472710
ah, just with the tagging of tollerable, and the other post calling that type of music shit I kind of got the feeling that you guys didn't like and were just doing some sort of overly complicated shitposting

>>62472854
that's kinda the opposite of patrician, but that's ok :P

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Anonymous Sat 13 Feb 2016 00:01:23 No.62474781 Report

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>>62473557
Listened to 1930 and Pulse Demon, yes. Should probably check out Venerology next.
Mainliner and Fushitsusha seems a bit more obscure, couldn't find anything on public torrent-sites. Found an unseeded Kawabata Makoto album and a bunch of unseeded Acid Mothers Temple torrents, though that didn't really help.
Anyone know if this shit's on what.cd? Would be worth trying to get an invite for

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Anonymous Thu 11 Feb 2016 03:18:24 No.62416596 View View Reply Original Report

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Why does /mu/ hate Dubstep?

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Anonymous Thu 11 Feb 2016 03:23:44 No.62416728 Report

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I can't believe I used to love this shit lmao.

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Anonymous Thu 11 Feb 2016 03:25:23 No.62416757 Report

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because it's just acid but more obnoxious for millennials with less melody and counterpoint. There's also really shitty dynamics which makes it less suitable for home listening.

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Anonymous Thu 11 Feb 2016 03:27:22 No.62416803 Report

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>>62416757
>more obnoxious
that's probably pretty much why i like it more than acid iah

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Anonymous Thu 11 Feb 2016 03:20:04 No.62416803,1 Report Delete

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Because every artist who switched to doing it switch back to their original style in shame. Cough techitch cough cough.

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Anonymous Thu 11 Feb 2016 03:34:04 No.62416962 Report

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>>62416803
I used to hear a lot of it at my old school in 2010 and liked it. Zed's Dead is great. Most dubstep doesn't sound as crazy to me now though cause I know more about production and I just hear it different than I used to.

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Anonymous Tue 09 Feb 2016 19:39:58 No.62382751 View View Reply Last 50 Original Report

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So let's guess what TLOP stands for /mu/

You're browsing 4chan it's not like you have anything better to do

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>>62390301
Whew

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>>62390301
JUST

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>>62390301
wew lad

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>>62390301
kayne west here you want your adidas or not

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>>62390301
Damn

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Anonymous Wed 10 Feb 2016 19:55:32 No.62406064 View View Reply Original Report

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rank 'em

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Pet Sounds>The Smile Sessions>Surf's Up=Sunflower>Smiley Smile>Love You>Today!>Surfin'Safari>Everything Else>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Summer In Paradise

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>>62406064,1
oops meant Surfin' USA not Surfin' Safari

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Anonymous Wed 10 Feb 2016 20:05:54 No.62406244 Report

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Pet Sounds
Smiley Smile
Today
Surf's Up
Friends
Wild Honey
Love You
Sunflower
Summer Days
That's Why God
Holland
20/20
All Summer Long
Carl and the Passions

everything else

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Anonymous Tue 09 Feb 2016 04:52:33 No.62370666 View View Reply Original Report

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I've been listening to this on loop for hours. This is real music, it cuts deep emotionally

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Anonymous Tue 09 Feb 2016 04:54:07 No.62370782,1 Report Delete

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What player is that?

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Anonymous Tue 09 Feb 2016 05:01:39 No.62370862 Report

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>>62370666
She's gay, man. No reason to get hung up on her when it'd be impossible for you to get together even if you knew her.

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Anonymous Tue 09 Feb 2016 05:03:17 No.62370883 Report

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I now have this video set as my phone wallpaper

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Anonymous Tue 09 Feb 2016 05:06:47 No.62370953 Report

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Even better in landscape

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Anonymous Tue 09 Feb 2016 06:39:53 No.62372637 Report

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Annie is cute! CUUUUUUTE!!!!

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Anonymous Mon 08 Feb 2016 07:08:11 No.62348564 View View Reply Original Report

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Any chance someone can rec me some music that has similar tones/reminds you of Blood Meridian

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Anonymous Mon 08 Feb 2016 07:07:18 No.62348564,1 Report Delete

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hex;_Or_Printing_in_the_Infernal_Method

"The album was influenced by Cormac McCarthy, particularly his novel Blood Meridian. Every song title on the album is named after a phrase found in the text of the novel."

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Anonymous Mon 08 Feb 2016 07:17:48 No.62348723 Report

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This is the first thing I thought of

https://hungry-ghosts.bandcamp.com/album/hungry-ghosts-lp

Also, Suttree is his best novel but if you want some more Western shenanigans definitely read the border trilogy

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Anonymous Mon 08 Feb 2016 07:20:34 No.62348766 Report

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Earth's Hex; or Printing In The Infernal Method was directly inspired by Blood Meridian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbPeZMpdSjE

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Anonymous Mon 08 Feb 2016 07:22:18 No.62348798 Report

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>>62348766
this and godspeed you black emperor

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Anonymous Mon 08 Feb 2016 07:24:09 No.62348826 Report

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>>62348723
Thanks for the recs, I'm getting into Mccarthy again and doing a quick reread of Blood Meridian because I remember really liking it but not being quite ready for it originally, enjoying the reread and it's not anywhere close to as dense as I remember. Suttree sounds really good.

>>62348766
Cool I'll check this out

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Anonymous Mon 08 Feb 2016 06:30:30 No.62347966 View View Reply Original Report

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Not sure if this should go in /mu or not. But what is the name of this woman in Bowie's Blackstar video? My google-fu skills are weak.

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